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Author: Fr. Cornel Todeasa
January 14, 2010
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Unity of the Romanian Orthodox Churches into an American Metropolitanate

Unofficial translation of an article from the Nov. 11, 2009 issue of the Romanian Journal, New York

It has been always known that strength lies in unity!  Those opposed to the reunification of both Romanian Episcopates in North America are either illiterate or … malevolent.  My first instinct is that they are malevolent since they write a lot and with venom.  Lord knows how much venom they spill against their brothers of the same nation and faith!

But where does my feeling that they are illiterate come from?  It is because they either do not know how to read or, if they can read, their understanding is deficient.  In the “Common Agreement” that was drafted on the occasion of Archbishop Nathaniel’s February 2008 visit to Bucharest it says: “in that the errors of the past have been acknowledged, and we have asked for reciprocal forgiveness, the representatives of the Romanian Patriarchate and those of the Romanian Orthodox Episcopate of America express their sincere desire for the realization of a Romanian Orthodox unity on the American continent and having canonical ties with the Romanian Orthodox Church”.

These presumed illiterates read or understand “ties” to be “sub” [under].  They understand the canonical ties to be sub-jugation or political subordination.  I say political because in their understanding of things there is no depth or religious illumination, only existentialist convulsion; nothing churchly or pious exists in their thinking, only the political shakes.  They are convulsive, or better said, politically shaken.

Why is this canonical tie needed?  Simply because there cannot exist an Orthodox Church, even an autocephalous one, that is not in a relationship with the Ecumenical Patriarchate or historically with the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, and thus with all Patriarchates in the world.  This canonical tie keeps the “unity” of Orthodox Churches which, as St. Paul says: “[a Church] … is one body, and one Spirit, … One Lord, one faith, one baptism…” (Ephesians 4: 4-6).  Our true canonical tie should be through the Romanian Patriarchate, the Romanian Orthodox Church being our Mother Church.  I do not believe it is right that our canonical tie should be through the Moscow Patriarchate, as is sustained by those malevolent supporters of our remaining under the OCA, which in fact is the Russian Metropolia of America.

The literary disorder presented by these politically shaken people is certainly intentional.  Their intention is to promote and provoke discord; some do it for personal reasons or out of indebtedness, others for material benefit, others still out of pride, and for many directly because of … the devil.  And this, because the good Lord wants brothers to be together.  Not one of these politically shaken people is motivated by religious or Romanian sentiments, and not even out of American ones.

When I think of this curse in the life of the Romanian to always be in a state of discord and lead by other peoples, even here in a free country, I begin to think of the following prayer:  “Again we pray for the protection of this Church… from pandemics, hunger, earthquakes, floods, fire, the sword, being overrun by other nations and from fighting among ourselves; Lord, be compassionate, gentle, forgiving, o lover of mankind and our God, and turn away all hatred against us, spare us from your rightful indignation that hangs over us, and instead have mercy on us.”  When you will meet the illiterates read to them from Mathew 25: 31: “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left…” You see, the Lord says not only individuals but nations will be brought together and will be judged.

Romanian brethren, it is time to act like one nation, like one church, “united in spirit and sentiment” so that we and our nation be at the right hand of the Lord at the second coming.  Let us be counted among the sheep and not the goats.

36 Comments to “AMERICAN METROPOLITANATE”


  1. Admininsrator Says:

    Pr. Todeasa, opinii fara argumente valabile, insulte si calomnii de la un singur proclamat intelectual – un preot? De ce oare atata venin? De unde aceasta ura contra celor care nu vor sa se supuna BOR-ului? “Articolul” ridica mai multe intrebari.

    Nu uitati ca BOR a colaborat cu regimul comunist si pana in ziua de astazi, ierharhii si clericii sunt platiti de stat, si deci sunt nevoiti sa faca ceea ce li se spune de catre guvernul roman. Cine de aici ar putea sustine trecerea noastra dela OCA la o Biserica sub influenta directa unui guvern strain? Iata prima intrebare importanta.

    Opriti-va cu jocuri de cuvinte care devin frauda literara! Nimeni nu este impotriva unirii celor doua episcopii ortodoxe romane din America. Cum stiti, problema este alta; sa fie acest grup unit sub o Biserica straina si de acolo, adica BOR, sau sa ramana sub una locala si de aici , adica OCA? Iata a doua intrebare importanta.

    In ceea ce priveste noua Mitropolie autonoma, se folosesc idei si termeni ca: “Autonomie Maximala” care nu exista in ortodoxie. Este clar ca noua regrupare bisericeasca trebuie sa fie subordonat (SUB) unui organ bisericesc superior pentru a face parte din Ortodoxia universala. Numai o Biserica Autocefala nu este supusa unei alte Biserici. Deci, in propunerea facuta, este vorba de o autonomie data de o Biserica autocefala, si in acest caz, Biserica autonoma este atat de autonoma cat vrea si pana cand vrea Biserica Autocefala. Ideea ca noua Mitropolie va avea o “legatura cu” BOR presupune o legatura intre egali, ceva ce nu se poate intre o Biserica Autocefala si una Autonoma. In ortodoxie, a doua este supusa primei. In acest context, unde noi am fost supusi OCA-ului, aceasta Biserica a dovedit ca respecta angajamentul luat, si niciodata ROEA nu a fost ingenunchiata in fata autoritatii superioare a OCA. Oare, putem avea incredere ca BOR va respecta un angajament luat cu noi, tot asa cum a dovedit OCA timp de 40 de ani? Iata a treia intrebare importanta.

    Toti stim ca este nevoie de “legaturi canonice” in ortodoxie, dar intrebarea care se pune este sa avem aceasta legatura prin BOR sau prin OCA? BOR ne duce inapoi spre un ghetto etnic aici in America, iar OCA ne deschide usa la integrarea noastra in America. Copiii si nepotii nostri, nu vor prefera o Biserica integrata aici, adica OCA? Intrebati pe cei de 2-5 generatii aici in America sa aflati opinia copii si nepotii Dv. Iata a patrea intrebare importanta.

    Romanului nu ii convine dezbinarea, mai ales cea importata. De la al doilea razboi mondial incoace vedem ca Romania trimite oameni aici in America ca sa se infiltreze in comunitatile noastre si sa influenteze opinia publica inspre binele guvernului roman si BOR. Cei de acolo ne vad ca Diaspora lor si noi de aici, ne vedem ca cetateni Americani care am ales sa traim aici ca Americani. Deci, prima generatie a parasit o tara (Romania) si a ales alta (America). A 2-5 generatie nascuti aici, se vad ca deplini Americani. Acestia au nevoie de o Biserica ortodoxa locala (OCA) sau de una sub controlul unui guvern strain (BOR)? Unde este interesul? Este o intrebare interesanta, dar dezbinarea vine de unde; de aici, sau din Romania? Iata a cincea intrebare importanta.

    Cei care au intentia de a prabusi status quo ca sa ne oblige sa parasim OCA si sa trecem sub BOR o fac din ce motiv? Oare sunt ei obligati sa o faca de cei din Romania, sau au vre-un benificiu material, li s-a promis ceva in schimb, etc.? Cei de aici care sustin OCA o fac cu gandul la viitor, un viitor American si ortodox pentru generatiile ce vor urma aici. Ei vad intoarcerea sub BOR ca un pas in spate si un loc unde generatiile viitoare nu se vor simti bine. Deci, ce ii motiveaza pe cei care vor sa destabilizese Status quo si sa ne duca sub BOR? Iata a sasea intrebare importanta.

    Matei 25:31 + este un text care poate fi interpretat in mai multe forme. Daca ne luam de cuvantul NEAM putem sa ne intrebam, noi care am ales America de buna voie, sau noi cei nascuti aici; care ne este neamul si patria? A fost odata in familia noastra neamul romanesc, dar acum este neamul american. Deci, la judecata finala, noi, cei de aici, vom fi regrupati cu neamul American si nu cu cel Roman. In plus, este adevarat ca toate neamurile vor fi adunate la ziua judecatii, dar si toti indivizii din fiecare neam si atunci judecata se va face pe plan INDIVIDUAL cum spune Hristos si cum ne invata Sf.Ioan Gura de Aur sau va fi in COLECTIV cum ne spun teologii invatati de noii zei atei Lenin si Marx, dusmanii credintei? Iata a saptea intrebare importanta.

    In final, ar fi interesant sa aflam cel putin UN argument Ortodox care ar sustine abandonul OCA-ului ca sa ne supunem BOR-ului. Iata ultima intrebare importanta ridicata citind acest “articol”.

    In aceasta discutie, avem nevoie de viziune si sa conducem cu privirea in fata (OCA) si nu in retrovizor (BOR). Este timpul sa oprim demagogia, sa demascam frauda, si sa ne ocupam de viitorul nostru ortodox in America, ramanand in Biserica locala OCA si respingand manevrele politice sa fim supus unei Biserici straine care este sub controlul unui guvern strain. Lasati-ne in pace!


  2. Anonymous Says:

    You are very correct Fr. Cornel! God bless you for speaking the truth.


  3. Alexandru Nemoianu Says:

    The champions of the subordination under BOR (or “union” as they clumsily try to mislead) so far were and are able to produce only lame “arguments” in support of their position. Those “arguments” can be divided in two: 1)insults toward the American Orthodox jurisdictions and especially the autocephalous Orthodox Church of America, and 2)an embarrassing sort of tribal jingoism, a shameful “ethnocentrism”.(The fact that Fr. Cornel Todeasa chose to insult those who, in a sober and documented manner, promote American Orthodoxy, should not be a surprise. This is what happens when you blindly support a position with no credible argument to support it. The real question is why…?

    The Orthodox Church of America is in canonical communion (and that means unity) with ALL Orthodox jurisdiction of the World. This is simply an undeniable fact and nothing in Fr. Todeasa’s text disproves this. What remains without explanation in his text is how the “Vatra” Episcopate’s subordination (”union” as he prefers to call it) under a foreign body, the Romanian Patriarchate - BOR, will promote Orthodox unity in America. What it will do is promote our living in an ethnic ghetto here, in America. However, the main characteristic of American history was and is integration. “Ghetto”-ization, goes contrary to this and is, consequently, un –American, not to mention something that has repeatedly failed whenever attempted here.

    The “ethnocentric” “argument” has no canonical value and in fact goes against Orthodox teaching. By definition, the Orthodox Episcopates here were and are “local” and not intrinsically ethnic. After all, Orthodoxy is a Faith and not a nationality! The Holy Fathers, from St.Cyprian of Carthage and St.Ignatius of Antioch, to St.Teophilact of Ohrid have said that ALL Orthodox Episcopates should be local and that interference from an outside hierarch in their affairs should be considered a sin.

    The “ethnic” concept was introduced by the Ottomans, hardly defenders of Orthodoxy. In the XVIIth century they abolished all the autocephalous Orthodox jurisdictions in the European part of their empire. Among them the autocephalous church of Ohrid, the direct descendent of the diocese of Illyricum, interesting enough initially called “of Dacia”, which was established at the beginning of the VIth century by the Emperor Jutinian. The Ottomans put all the Orthodox in that part of their empire under the jurisdiction of Cosntantinople. For the Ottomans, all Christians were considered to be a second class group of inhabitants, generically called “rum millet” and the Patriarch of Constantinople was considered not a religious leader but an “ethnarch”, the leader of a “people”. This is the dubious origin of the “ethnic” concept in Orthodoxy. Later on the Greek nationalists used the concept to promote an utopian “Hellenistic world” and now it is used by the Romanian Patriarchate, a cleptocratic entity, to promote the neo communist “Romania Mare”. Indeed, using such an exclusively political concept when discussing the Church is proof of historical and canonical illiteracy.

    In the context of Fr. Todeasa’s article, it should help to know exactly what were the “sufferings” of the hierarchs of the communist diocese in America (ROAA), “sufferings” even the JDC felt forgiveness was to be asked for? Were those hierarchs issued speeding tickets or were they fined for jay walking when they paid homage to their masters in Bucharest? Please!

    Last, but not the least, if a priest insulting the canonical order of his own diocese and that of the canonical body it is part of (the OCA in our example) is not in a state of canonical rebellion, then what should be done to be there?


  4. Preot Trist Says:

    Bravo Parinte, ne faci pe toti de rusine! Mai bine sa scri poezii sau fantezii decat aceste texte lipsite de logica; fara sa pomenim de golul duhovnicesc. Adica, dupa ce insulti pe toti care nu vor sa paraseasca Biserica Americana pentru a se reintegra BOR, care a facut numai rau aici si continua sa se bage unde nu are ce cauta, vrei sa ne convingi sa trecem sub BOR bazat pe o interpretare gresita de Matei 25? Fii serios! Ma intreb cine este analfabet in aceasta discutie si cine este rauvoitor?


  5. Viorel Says:

    Parinte, cine te-a obligat sa faci parte din Episcopia noastra de la Vatra? Daca nu iti convine la noi du-te singur sub Bucuresti, sub ROAA. Dar intai raspunde la intrebarea: de ce creezi dezbinare in Episcopia noastra? Care este scopul acestei lucrari?


  6. A.T.B. Says:

    When has it become evil or venomous to voice an oppositional opinion?
    Fr. Todeasa accuses those against unity of being evil, illiterate and doing the work of the devil. Who made him judge and jury? We are entitled to our opinion without being labeled. He writes of venom and his whole letter reeks of venom against those that oppose rule under the Romanian government and Patriarchate. I thought the nation we still lived in is the U.S.A. and we had rights to voice an opinion even if it was different.

    My allegiance is to America not a foreign government that chose to stay silent during the Communist regime and allowed martyred priests as well as lay people to suffer while they remained silent feasting on pork and other Romanian cuisine. Is this the MOTHER CHURCH you are asking us to unite with?

    It seems that as long as one agrees with the unity they are intelligent and doing GOD’S work but those opposed are branded malevolent and ignorant.


  7. GJB Says:

    Father Cornel’s argument is problematic on many levels. First, he does exactly what he condemns others for doing. He uses polemic to argue his point: good verses evil, God verses the devil, salvation verses damnation, and perhaps the most distressing of all for me since I am an English Professor, literate verses illiterate.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if it was that cut and dry, black and white! Wouldn’t it be nice if life was that simple? By the way, there are millions of humble illiterate folk in the world, romanians who are illiterate in English, English who are illiterate in Romanian. You use the term quite simplistically and in a derogatory fashion. When you speak of literacy, you are only referring to those competant in the English language? Isn’t that a bit elitist, and going against the principles you are arguing about? And I have a theory that when you quote either Hitler or the devil, it means you have already lost your argument and you are pulling at straws. I am very interested in this issue of unity, but extremely dissapointed at how it is discussed, especially when I log onto these blogs late at night. At times, I wouldn’t recognize them as Christian (if it wasn’t for the large icon at the top of the page)in the way we are talking at one another. But more importantly, I think our dialogue is at a standstill, and the reason for this standstill is that we are not discussing or addressing the real issues that lie at the heart of the contention among both sides. Until we begin doing so, I fear that we will never move forward and stay in this state of limbo.

    If we sift through Father Cornel’s, jargon, confabulation, and angry rhetoric, there is one line that sticks out that i believe is genuine and addresses the underlying fear that exists when we speak of unity. He says, “When I think of this curse in the life of the Romanian to always be in a state of discord and lead by other peoples, even here in a free country. . .” Although, I think he is being a bit dramatic in stating his point, because any Romanian person can join the other episcopate if he or she chooses, he is correct. In this discussion and decision we have not really addressed the concerns and fears of the Romanian diaspora in this country, and lets face it, America doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to addressing the issues of “ethnic America.” For most of the Romanians I have met who where born in Romania and have come to America, the church is extremely important to them, not only spiritually, but it is a place of community and networking for them. I am of Romanian descent, but I was born in this country, and it is quite different for me. It is human instinct to be fearful of one’s culture dying out if not connected to his or her cultural roots. And it is a legitimate fear and concern.

    And on the other hand, there is the same concern and fear on the side of the American born, who, for the majority, are strongly arguing to remain under the auspices of the OCA. I say auspices because I am not sure how much we are under the OCA’s jurisdiction. I am not completely clear on this topic. But I do know that we haven’t even begun to discuss unity in terms of these fears, concerns. We haven’t begun to discuss the underlying issues, perhaps because no one wants to be seen as vulnerable; therefore, when it comes to addressing the real underlying problem, we are all illiterate. I don’t see this issue moving foward beyond the insults, polemics, and name calling until our dialogue goes in this direction. Perhaps when we address our fears, we can overcome them a bit and come to some sort of compromise where we don’t feel eclipsed culturally or spiritually by the “other side.” I will pray for exactly this.


  8. Anonymous Says:

    We see there are discussions in the OCA about the Chambesy work, especially how this will affect North America. The OCA website says the Holy Synod is talking about it, but they never really say what their stand is and how they fit into the scheme of things. Mr Administrator: can you find out some more information through your sources for us? Will OCA be recognized by the other churches as an Autocephalous Church, or will it be seen as a Russian Metropolia? If it is the latter, what is the OCA doing about it? I’m sure many of us would be appreciate being kept informed about this. Thank you.


  9. Admininsrator Says:

    There have been Chambesy meetings ongoing for quite some time. These pan-Orthodox meetings organized by the Ecumenical Patriarchate at their institute in Chambesy, Switzerland have topics of common interest for all Eastern Orthodox Churches. The more recent topics focus on correcting the uncanonical situation of having so many overlapping jurisdictions in North America and elsewhere in non-Orthodox lands. Many topics, including how autocephaly is to be proclaimed, are being discussed by Orthodox clergy and theologians in these meetings, but nothing concrete will come of this until an Ecumenical Synod of the Orthodox Church will be convened to review all the discussions and recommendations and where a plan of action might emerge. As part of the preparations for this there will be an assembly of Orthodox bishops from across North America meeting in May 2010; probably the first of many. The OCA will also be present. As with other participating churches, it is important to prepare for these meetings and the OCA website meeting announcements you refer to are about these preparations. What will come of all this and when? No one knows, starting with the Ecumenical Patriarch.

    What is important is that the issues that deal with our North American situation of trying to create a single and local Orthodox Church here, and do away with the overlapping ethnic jurisdictions, are being discussed at the highest levels in the Orthodox Church. This can only bode well for resolving the existing, abnormal situation here and elsewhere in non-Orthodox lands. Given that the CANONICAL OCA, (whether it is considered autocephalous or not), is the only church in North America structured to correct the issues of multiple jurisdictions by being already composed of both ethnic and territorial Dioceses, and given that it is the only Orthodox church in North America whose goal is to spread the WORD to ALL North Americans, it is impossible to conceive of an Orthodox North American solution that does not have the OCA as a main part of that solution.

    In any event, as things develop and progress, and particularly as they impact our situation directly, we will keep readers here informed.


  10. Mihai Says:

    Deci Viorel, ai grija ce vorbesti. Parintele slujeste in aceasta episcopie, si fiecare avem dreptul sa ne spunem parerea, chiar daca nu e aceeasi cu A TA, cu a ierarhului, presedintelui, etc. Ai grija numai ce spui, cu simplul “Daca nu iti convine la noi du-te singur sub Bucuresti, sub ROAA.”
    Sa va fereasca Dumnezeu sa se supere cei din episcopia aceasta si sa faca acest lucru. Ca, daca se face, nu mai ramane nici o parohie.


  11. Viorel Says:

    Mihai, Mihai, ar fi bine ca Pr. Teodeasa sa-si aduca aminte la cine s-a adresat in America, ca sa fie primit, si cine l-a facut Preot. El a fost primit cu bratele deschise, si acum, ca este Preot in ROEA/OCA, la o mare parohie prestigioasa, el indrazneste sa critice Biserica, care l-a primit! In acea vreme exista si ROAA/BOR. De ce nu s-a dus sub ei? De ce continua sa creeze dezbinare in Episcopia noastra? Ce interes are el sa faca asa ceva?


  12. Toma Says:

    Domnule Nemoianu, ai facut cumva teologia? Ca vad ca esti tare destept. Ar trebui sa fii episcop sa stii!


  13. Admininsrator Says:

    Toma, ai ceva concret de spus?


  14. Toma Says:

    You ask for arguments? Here are some arguments against the canonicity of OCA,… :

    Canonical arguments: [list]
    Practical arguments: [list]


  15. Admininsrator Says:

    A concoction of false rhetoric challenging the canonicity of the OCA will not be tolerated on this website. Any attempt to defame the OCA, by claiming and then circuitously “arguing” that the OCA is not canonical, will not be printed here. Please learn about the subject matter before repeatedly making hurtful and ridiculous claims here. In short and as previously explained:
    If clergy from different Orthodox churches concelebrate the Holy Liturgy, it means that they each recognize the canonicity of the other – otherwise they would not concelebrate. All recognized Orthodox churches concelebrate with the OCA, including BOR and the Ecumenical Patriarchate. Therefore, by definition, the OCA IS ACCEPTED AS A CANONICAL CHURCH IN ORTHODOXY.
    Toma, as previously mentioned to you in our response of Jan. 20, 2010 to your repeated request that we publish ALL your comment regarding the “Unity in our Time” article, remember that the essence of your original posting is on the website and can be found in the Comments section regarding the “Unity in Our Time” article, #8, Dec. 13, 2009. Toma, as well as responding to your comments on a point by point basis, we explained to you in our Dec.13, 2009 response to your comments and then again reiterated this to you in our Dec.27, 2009 response, that on this site, we reserve “the right to edit for repetition, insults, falsehoods and circular argumentation which leads nowhere but to confusion”.
    Repeating lies does not make them true. Only in totalitarian systems like Communism is there any credence given to the concept that a LIE repeated becomes the TRUTH. In real democracies, we laugh at such childish behaviour! You have attempted to push this lie onto our website on numerous occasions and every time we refuse and again we explain our rationale. You have tried our Christian patience! Thank you…
    So, we repeat, if you have arguments in support of our Episcopate leaving the OCA to go under BOR, which are not based on falsehoods or unorthodox concepts, we will definitely post them here. Unhappily, you have yet to produce even one. No, arguments based on phyletism or ethnicity, long rejected by Orthodoxy, or arguments based on false claims about OCA canonicity, do not count. Try harder.
    Toma, why don’t you answer our questions? For example, we asked you a while ago how, in all good conscience, could anyone remain in the ROEA/OCA, while at the same time claiming that it is an uncanonical church? What kind of an Orthodox Christian would willingly attend an uncanonical Church? So, clearly, something else must motivate this anti-OCA and pro-BOR behaviour. What gives?


  16. (Mr.)Carmen D. Valentino Says:

    Congratulations to Fr. Cornel Todeasa for his great courage in signing his name to his recently published article!

    Such illogical nationalistic Romanian rants are typical of those Romanian Orthodox clergymen and their flunkies who over the years have poisoned Romanian-AMERICAN life with their neo-fascist or neo-communist venom.
    After 30 years as an ordained ROEA priest enjoying the full benefits of American life and citizenship, and serving in a historic Romanian-American parish, St. Dimitrie in Connecticut, it is quite apparent that Fr. Todeasa has learned absolutely nothing about that all important American ideal; namely, the separation of church and state - a liberty enjoyed by all true Americans. Moreover, his narrow-minded creed like those of the “anonymous” posters on this website and elsewhere totally ignores the age old Romanian saying “Do not bite the hand that feeds you” Simply put, they are traitors, both to their ROEA archbishop and their adopted country, the United States of America.

    Fr. Todeasa and his ilk would be best served by their transfer to the jurisdiction of the ROAA- where they could assist in eliminating the financial debts of that neo-communist contraption or better yet, return to the old country to serve in an ethnically pure Romanian parish directly under the autocratic thumb of a neo-communist state and its tool the Patriarch.
    The ill conceived disruptive notion of “unire”/union created by some Romanian Orthodox clergymen has already caused more than enough dissention in the Romanian-American community.

    The only solution, to paraphrase Cato, is “Delenda est Unire”.

    (Mr) Carmen D. Valentino
    Descent of the Holy Spirit Romanian Orthodox Church, Elkins PArk, PA. (1913)
    Vice-President & Museum Curator, Societatea Banatiana- V. Alecsandri (1906)
    Fulbright Scholar, Vienna (1968-9), Bucharest (1971-2)
    Romanian-American Commissioner, Pennsylvania Heritage Commission (1990-92)


  17. GJB Says:

    I do agree… with the Mr. Valentino’s comment about the neo facist and neo communist behavior, unfortunately, many under this regime use the same strategy without even realizing it, for survival purposes, yet it is not something we are accustom to in this country and causes for very bad relations. Just another huge evil under communism. Just pray for the souls of those tainted.

    I also agree with Admin that repeating a lie doesn’t make it true, only in your mind if you are so entrenched in that lie. It is childish behavior and ranting and raving will only get you somewhere with other children. Sorry, but we have to clean up our acts when dealing with one another. We are going in the wrong direction. Often, it is not what you are doing, but how you do it. Civilized behavior is important.


  18. Toma Says:

    Once again, you, Mr. Administrator, refuse to post what is written … Let it be read by everyone, even if that means defaming the OCA.

    De ce ti-e frica nu scapi si nu va scapa nici OCA’ul. (You do not escape from what you are afraid of, nor will the OCA)…

    Daca esti administrator adevarat de website posteaza tot… (If you are a real website administrator post everything…)

    Tot afirmi ca nu scrie nimeni argumente concrete pentru unirea sub BOR … uite poftim, cand le scriu nu le afisez… (You keep saying that no one comes up with arguments for unity under BOR … but when I do, you don’t publish them…)


  19. Admininsrator Says:

    Toma, you may also repeat your mantra all you want. Repeating it doesn’t make it right. Nor does it change anything. But you must stop it with the insults.

    FYI website administrators do edit the material posted on the sites they administer. We have explained many times that we edit out most blatant insults, threats, obvious lies and circular logic that confuses rather than clarifies a given position.

    Understand that stating repeatedly that we should be under BOR because we should be under BOR does not constitute an argument in favour of going under BOR, but does qualify as circular logic because it is circular and confusing in intent. However, come up with a valid Orthodox reason for going under BOR and it will be posted.


  20. annonymous Says:

    [Fr. Todeasa] if your loyalty was so much with Romania, why did you, like many other priests leave and not stick it out to make it a better country under communism? Now you are questioning our loyalty and expect us to cater to your situation? You broke from your mother country by leaving when it needed you most. It’s a bit hypocritical and insensitive to not expect the american born romanians to want to be loyal to a North American Church.


  21. Toma Says:

    Doamna Carmen, da pentru ce ati inclus toate pozitile alea la sfarsit (Fulbright Scholar, Romanian-American Commissioner)? Ca sa ce? Sa arata-ti ca sunte-ti calificata? Vad ca sunte-ti calificata in de toate. Va lipseste doar un lucru. O licenta in Teologie!

    Daca Patriarhia Romana facea si ei un blog pe internet, si scria tot felul de lucruri negative despre episcopia noastra cred ca toti sarea in sus zicand, “da uite, cum indraznesc ei sa vorbeasca asa despre noi.” Ne amintim doar acele prostii ce s-au scris in Ziarul Romanesc despre episcopia noastra acuma catva timp (care nu a avut legatura cu Patriarhia Romana) si au sarit toti in sus. Deci Domnule Administrator. Vorbesti de discutii utile, profesioniste, pe care dumneata incerci sa porti pe acest site. Ati spus ca nu acceptati atacuri in nici un sens. Da cand se scrie despre Patriarhia Romana cum ca e comunista, ca patriarhul este comunist, ca e corupta, astea toate le acceptati sa le postati? Unde este corectitunea? Sau mai mult, unde e constiinta si corectitudinea crestina! Sa tinem toti minte un lucru. Ce imagine avem noi si ce imagine are patriarhia Romana in lumea ortodoxa? MARE DIFERENTA! Sa ne trezim si sa lasam acuzatiile inutile. Si domnule administrator, daca vreti conversatii utile pe acest site, sa se scrie doar la subiect, fara atacuri inutile aplicati aceasta teorie la toti, nu doar la cei care scriu un adevar despre OCA.


  22. Admininsrator Says:

    Toma, cu ce drept insulti pe DOMNUL Carmen Valentino? Ar fi bine putin respect pentru astfel de personae, recunoscute in comunitatea noastra de aici in America de Nord. Am spus-o ier in engleza si astazi pe romaneste. Opreste-te cu insultele!

    Si in aceias scrisoare vrei sa ne dai si lectii de comportament? Fii serios nene! Destul este destul!


  23. Toma Says:

    Cu ce drept accepti sa se insulte patriarhia Romana cu tot felul de acuzatii, facand-o corupta, comunista etc., si mai mult - sa le postezi pe site! Cum se zice ceva de OCA sari cu “cu ce drept … cum indraznesti, etc.” Cred ca iti lipseste constiinta crestina domnule.


  24. Admininsrator Says:

    Biserica Ortodoxa Romana -BOR- este o institutie bisericeasca din Romania si nu este bine ca ea sa fie insultata, precum nu este bine de a insulta nici Biserica Ortodoxa Americana -OCA- care este o institutie bisericeasca din America. In schimb, cand un Mitropolit (Teodosie-BOR) sau (Herman-OCA) incalca legile bisericesti, este datoria clerului si a laicilor sa se asigure ca acest lucru nu este acceptabil si ca nu va fi permis in Biserica lui Hristos. Clerul si laicii din OCA au dovedit ca pot sa se purifice. Ce asteapta clerul si laicii din BOR?


  25. Morris Says:

    Insultele pline de venin ale Pr. C. Todeasa din articolul publicat in Romanian Journal din 11 nov. 2009 vin chiar in ajunul postului Intampinarii Nasterii Domnului!

    Parinte, asa ati intampinat Nasterea Domnului? Ne intrebam cum mai poate-ti predica in biserica despre a fi un bun crestin si a ierta greselile dusmanilor nostrii?

    In 1984 cand IPS Arh.Valerian a demisionat, din functie, Bucurestiul, respectiv BOR a si trimis o delegatie la Vatra care a declarat ca isi revendica si afirma juresdictia bisericeasca asupra ROEA! (Vezi scrisoarea IPS Arh.Valerian catre Prea Fericitul Patriarh Justinian)

    Aceasta a fost a 2-a incercare de a pune mana pe Vatra! Acum incearca din nou prin oameni ca Dvstra.! In mijlocul anilor 90, Dvstra., impreuna cu alti doi, din breasla Dvstra. a-ti trimis la toti preotii din Episcopie un fax in care le cereati sa semneze “foarte repede” aderarea la unirea cu BOR si sa primiti faxul inapoi fara a raporta enoriasilor si Episcopiei! Halal unire la timpul respectiv!

    Acum v-ati dat arama pe fata din nou! Nu va place in Episcopia de la Vatra, merge-ti la ROAA ori inapoi in tara. UNIRE DA, dar sub OCA ca traim aici si urmasii nostrii ne vor judeca daca subordonam episcopia unei biserici si guvern strain.

    Iar in inchiere, sa stiti ca si caprele produc lapte tot atat de bun ca si oile!


  26. GJBP Says:

    Strunk and White has a wonderful book called ‘The Elements of Style’ or Gerald Graff’s ‘They Say/ I Say’. I use it for my basic Freshman Writing Class. I can send a copy to Mr. Toma or Mr. Todeasa if they like. When in an English speaking vernacular country, participate in its rules, its rhetoric.


  27. Toma Says:

    Daca si caprele produc lapte tot asa de bun, foarte bine, sa il beti in continuare domnule. Dar “oile vor sa se uneasca intr-o singura turma”. Caprele sa stea cu caprele.


  28. Viorel Says:

    Spune Toma,… si berbecii, unde sa se duca?


  29. Toma Says:

    Berbecii sa stea afara…cu cei blegi…sa stea afara


  30. Viorel Says:

    Toma, bine ca iti cunosti locul! … dar hai sa fim mai seriosi!

    Fara cel putin un berbec, nu exista un viitor pentru oi, fiindca toate vor muri, nelasand nici un miel in urma. La fel si cu noi. Fara copii in Biserica, nu exista un viitor pentru noi si parohiile noastre. Pentru aceasta spunem ca OCA-ul este raspunsul, fiindca ea este singura Biserica de aici, cu ierarhi de aici, si care raspunde la nevoile copiilor nostri Americani mult mai mult decat o Biserica straina condusa de ierarhi de acolo si care nu are nimic in comun cu natia, cultura si viata Americana de aici, si in care se nasc copiii si nepotii nostri.


  31. Toma Says:

    Problema este ca sunt prea multi berbeci ca tine (minoritari)care fac probleme pentru oi.

    “OCA Raspunde de nevoile copiilor nostri” Care copii? Aia care nu vin la Biserica ori si cum? Aia care se casatoresc cu ne-ortodocsi? Copii care indiferent de limba nu sunt prezenti in Biserica? OCA nu raspunde de viitorul nostru domnule. Ci Conducerea nostra in Episcopia noastra Romaneasca si mai mult si mai intai. Parintii copiilor! OCA nu face nimic pentru noi, si nici nu a facut pana acuma. Get your facts straight.

    Mai omule, bisericile care savarsesc toate slujbele pe limba engleza, cu preoti “nascuti aici, deci americani,” unde se vorbeste numai engleza, dece nu sunt pline de tineret? Daca tot folosesti argumentul acesta in priviinta vitorului, uite eu il combat cu situatii actuale. Problema nu este limba, ca daca ar fii, acele biserici ar fii plina azi, actualmente, in fie care duminica.


  32. Admininsrator Says:

    Toma, Berbecii Sunt Fruntea!

    Saracule Toma, nu intelegi ca actionezi in asa fel ca sa ne desfiintezi viitorul? Daca chiar vrei ca copiii nostri sa nu mai vina la Biserica, atunci fa ca Biserica sa fie cat mai straina copiilor nostri. Pune si slujba pe o limba necunoscuta ca sa ne asiguram ca ei nu vor intelege nimic. Pune un monah nescolit din varful muntilor Pindului ca Episcop sa le vorbeasca despre lucruri absolut indepartate de realitatea lor de aici, si care le va vorbi intr-un limbaj cultural de neinteles pentru ei. De fapt, asta ar fi BOR pentru ei, iar OCA este singura noastra sansa de a oferi copiilor nostri o ortodoxie mai aproape de nevoile si cultura lor! Daca viitorul bisericii noastre in America nu te intereseaza, inseamna ca dispretuiesti viitorul crestin al copiilor nostri, si mai mare pacat nu poti face! IATA FAPTELE!

    Toma, te rog nu mai repeta aceleasi cuvinte care sunt chiar fara folos. Toti vrem mai multi tineri in Biserica. Metoda ta, adica facand din Biserica un ghetto etnic, si supunandu-o unei ierarhii straine ca BOR, este dovedita istoric falimentara. Asa am pierdut generatii de tineri in trecutul nostru de 100 de ani pe pamant American. Ce mai vrei? Si chiar ramanand in OCA, este evident ca nimic nu este garantat in aceasta privinta, si suntem nevoiti sa actionam si mai mult in adaptarea bisericii noastre la nevoile copiilor nostri; altfel chiar vom pierde totul si vom ramane fara viitor religios pentru copiii nostri. Tot acest efort sa fie chiar in zadar?


  33. Toma Says:

    Domnule Administrator, vad ca esti chiar incuiat la cap si nu are nimeni ce razbi cu tine. Vrei OCA? Ok. Ramai cu ei. Restul ne unim sub BOR. Sa vedem cati raman cu tine. Alta solutie nu e. Ca cu forta domnule, nu ii mai poti conduce cum vrei tu.


  34. Admininsrator Says:

    Toma, opreste-te cu insultele. Sa vede ca insulta este arma ta preferata, fiindca nu ai nici un argument valabil pentru subjugarea noastra sub BOR.

    Noi suntem in OCA si cine vrea sa mearga sub BOR nu are decat sa o faca – si cat mai repede! Nu te mai poti juca cu noi. Nu poti sa ne obligi pe noi sa mergem acolo unde nu vrem. TU AI INTRAT IN CASA NOASTRA SI TE-AM PRIMIT FRUMOS! NU INCERCA ACUM SA NE DAI PE NOI AFARA DIN EA. CE OBRAZNICIE! CE TUPEU!

    Noi am fost, suntem si vom ramane in OCA. Tu ai ales sa fi cu noi in ROEA-OCA si daca acum nu iti mai convine, te priveste; dar nu incerca sa ne incurci pe noi in problemele tale!


  35. Toma Says:

    O sa mearga Domnule Administrator, si nu la ROAA ci sub umbra Patriarhiei noastra Mama, BOR. Iara Dumneata,impreuna cu berbecii aia putini, vei vedea cu cati vei ramane. Be careful what you ask for!


  36. Administrator Says:

    Toma, daca vreti sub BOR direct, duceti-va inapoi in Romania, fiindca aici Patriarhia Romana, nu are ce cauta. In final, se va vedea care sunt cei putini si care sunt berbecii … Dupa mine, in cursa berbecilor sa pare ca cei cu diplomele din Constanta sunt pe primul loc!


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